Are Turks really “Turks”, are Greeks really “Greeks”…in case you’ve got some spare time to waste

31 Jan

Below is a Twitter thread that you’re going to have to unravel or put in order by yourselves; from bottom to top helps:

Nicholas Bakos@jaddeyekabir· Guys, HOW exactly do these tests work? Are there GENES, actual DNA material that separates, say, Kurds and Armenians? Where is the biological material that separates Bosnian Serbs from Bosnian Muslims? How do you locate and identify it?

Onur Erpul@onurerpul · 19hReplying to @bradenris and @byzantinepower That’s not quite right. DNA tests are controversial not because of ethnicity but because of their potential use as paternity tests. France had (might still have) similar limitations too. You can order and use DNA kits for testing ethnicity in Turkey.

Nicholas Bakos@jaddeyekabir· Well, yeah, because “Roman” means “Greek”. There are no Hittites around anymore, so say that THEY’re your ancestors and you can relax.

Onur Erpul@onurerpul · 20hReplying to @bradenris and @byzantinepower The Islamified Roman identity is not very popular tbh. That said, most people recognize their extremely mixed heritage, including Balkan, Caucasian, and Pre-Turkish Anatolian ancestry. The 100% ethnic Turk idea is utter nonsense

Nicholas Bakos@jaddeyekabir· Instead of what Mark Mazower calls “the false continuities and convenient silences” of nationalism, I think the truth is much healthier and has the potential to bring us together rather than drive us apart. Hopelessly naive? So be it.Quote Tweet

Nicholas Bakos@jaddeyekabir · 52mThere’s a poem by Puerto Rican Fortunato Vizcarrondo: “¿Y Tu Abuela Dónde Está?” “So where’s you grandmother?” i.e. before you start acting so high and mighty and whitey here, let’s see the Black grandmother you’ve got hidden in the kitchen. Same applies to us all. https://twitter.com/jaddeyekabir/status/1223276365891457024

Nicholas Bakos@jaddeyekabir· There’s a poem by Puerto Rican Fortunato Vizcarrondo: “¿Y Tu Abuela Dónde Está?” “So where’s you grandmother? i.e. before you start acting so high and mighty and whitey here, let’s see the Black grandmother you’ve got hidden in the kitchen. Same applies to us all.Quote Tweet

Nicholas Bakos@jaddeyekabir · 1h How they could have ever looked in the mirror and seen an Uzbek and not a Greek or a Serb or an Armenian was always extremely irritating. Now it’s our turn to see the Hellenicized Slav or Albanian in our mirrors. https://twitter.com/jaddeyekabir/status/1223263274898272256

Nicholas Bakos@jaddeyekabir· How they could have ever looked in the mirror and seen an Uzbek and not a Greek or a Serb or an Armenian was always extremely irritating. Now it’s our turn to see the Hellenicized Slav or Albanian in our mirrors.

Nicholas Bakos@jaddeyekabir·…to the fact that they were the Islamicized and Turkified descendants of the populations that already inhabited Anatolia and Balkans. If they’re learning to accept it, that’s cool.

Nicholas Bakos@jaddeyekabir · 1h Oh, that bit about Turks being honest about their Balkan and Anatolian genetic descent and not Turanian/wider Turkic? No, I wasn’t being sarcastic at all. Turks used to exhibit a wildly defensive reaction…

Nicholas Bakos@jaddeyekabir · 2h Huh? About what? https://twitter.com/byzantinepower/status/1223155633899352064

Byzantine Ambassador@byzantinepower · 9hReplying to @jaddeyekabirU being sarcastic?

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